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I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't I can't....

- I. Literally. Can't.

- Okay, first of all, because this is the only thought in my head: I think maybe Maleficent is going to return. Because we didn't see enough of her, and both Aurora and Henry had similar nightmares. What do they have in commen? The Sleeping Curse. Now, we know that Snow had nightmares because of this curse as well, but that was a much longer time ago, so it is not certain if the nightmares were similar to the red room Henry and Aurora keep seeing (and was I the only one who got 'The Shining' flashback when that was first said? ;) redrum redrum redrum...), and since it was Maleficent's curse...

- I just really want more Maleficent okay? We have none of her backstory, we don't know why she cursed Aurora, how she met Regina, why the hell she got a pet unicorn...

- I also think this episode almost completely establishes that Henry's father isn't Baelfire. I mean, Neal was... he wasn't, was he? Obviously its still open - whatever August showed him (WHAT DID HE SHOW HIM??? I NEED TO KNOW!) must have been very effective, and if he was Baelfire it would have been easier to convince him. BUT I think there would have been more shock involved, wouldn't there, like 'holy jesus christ, the girl I'm in love with is from the same world that I am'. I mean, holy flippin' coincidence. I am actually really happy that he wasn't a Fairytale-character, because that is just too much of a coincidence.

- I kind of want to punch August in the face. No, I mean, it was SO NICE seeing him again, it really was, but... okay, he did the right thing in the end, but it was almost too late. I just hope, when we get him back he's learned from his mistakes.

- The car!!! The necklace!!! I love how this shows how desperate Emma actually is for love, in a way: because tbh, I would have probably thrown the key-chain/necklace away (I would've kept the car, because I was just out of jail and free car!), but she still has it, ten years later, even though she thinks Neal basically just used her and then threw her away. That's really profound, especially for someone like Emma who can store all of her belongings in three boxes.

- I can really understand why Emma lied to Henry about his father now: not that it wasn't stupid, but Henry doesn't need to know (yet) that both his parents led a dazzling life of crime for such a long time, and then his dad set his mom up, and Henry got born in prison. It also gives more meaning to why Emma gave Henry up - at this point she has never had a normal life, and she isn't even sure she can take care of herself.

- This also means that Neal has no idea Henry even exists, right?

- OH

- MY


- (bah, I'm ill, I can't really gather my thoughts)

- Emma and Snow. Emma and Snow! Can you just be on my screen all the time? I love their relationship to bits and pieces. Snow tackling Mulan to the ground was one of the greatest moment of television ever - and Emma telling Mulan to cut down the beanstalk in the first place was so very Emma.

- Hook is turning out to be kind of a sleazy bastard around Emma, and I'm sort of glad she handcuffed him (yay for smart main characters who makes mistakes but don't fall for every obvious plot), but TATTOO WITH MILAH'S NAME. Oh god, right in the heart (pun very much intended...)

- The giant being not just a villain, but an actual character pleased me so much. History is written by the victors indeed...

- 'I'll send you a postcard', well August, at least you got ONE THING right

- The next time someone bashes Aurora by saying she is spoiled and selfish, I will rub this episode in your face so hard you will be blind for a year. She offered to be the one to risk her life, going up to the giant, and not out of some hissy 'I can do this too!' fit, but because as she said, she has no-one left she loves. If she fails, the others, namely Snow and Emma, can still go home and be happy.

- I'm really surprised Snow let Emma go up though, but they were sort of running out of time. And yay for not being a patronizing mother and realizing that your daughter has survived almost thirty years on her own - and also killed a dragon not, what, four days ago?

- I'm still mad at August. He did what he thought was best, but... look, people of this show, stop messing up other's lives and then give excuses like 'it's for your own good'. It's mostly parents doing it (Maurice, I am side-eyeing you like fuck here), but this definitely counts too. Yeah, Emma is clearly not on the right path, but how is taking the only person who loves her away from her going to help? No, really, August, I am trying to think of reasons to why that is a good idea, and I'm coming up blank. Why? Why?? WHY??????

- And then you steal her money. You bastard.

- (okay, I still love you, damn it, but I kind of wish you'd get hit by a truck right now. Not a big one, just a small one, with a short hospital stay or something. Damn you August)

- I'm a little bit in love with Neal to be honest. Yeah, he's a thief, but he is incredibly honest and he clearly cares so much about Emma - he's a good man, really, and I am very happy that we've learned that. I just ship Emma with Emma, because she's bamf and needs no man (and ohgod, Emma/Graham gave me such a wonderful episode and TORE MY HEART APART and nothing was right with the world), but... at the end of the day, maybe Henry could get his entire family back? Idk, I just want Neal to come to Storybrooke and be incredibly badass (and find out that he has a fucking son. He doesn't know right????? How could he??)

- The Lost Boys were mentioned! It's not Peter Pan on my screen, but it's pretty close! *does dance*

Date: 2012-11-05 03:18 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Once} ++ Emma)
From: [identity profile]
Gah, too many new elements, I can't!

So: the thing in the box (what the hell is it?), the strange dream-connection, I hope they know what they're doing because it sounds like it could be great so I hope it will be.
Emma...oh, my baby. I'm having Emma feelings right now. And I loved that she was her badass-self with Hook and that she didn't fall for anything. Except I'm warming up to Hook now. I could even ship them, they were highly shippable in this. *facepalm*

August, good to see you, but do you have to be such a bastard? I'm happy that they explained the postcard thing early on though, and not in episode 20. But who is Neal really? I have a feeling we don't really know that yet.

I did kind of miss everyone else though. I loved that the episode was Emma-centric, but hopefully we'll get Storybrooke scenes next week.

(Bring on the Peter Pan, please! I grinned when Hook said 'Tick Tock'. But gah, two Carlyle-less episodes in six eps is too much, people!!)

Date: 2012-11-06 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I want to know what the thing in the box is sooooo bad! We JUST found out who Whale was, and then they give us another mystery - if we have to wait a whole season to find this out, I might spontanously burst into flames or something.

Her and Hook together was very badass. Emma in general is a lot of what I've always wanted in a female protagonist: like Katniss, she is incredibly bamf, but with a softer side for specific people and so messed-up that her mistakes are understandable - plus they make me want to punch them in the face sometimes, and I've found that I really don't enjoy characters very much if I don't occasionally want to punch them in the face, along with the hugging and squeeing over them. I think that's why I usually like villains so much!

I just really don't want Neal to be from FTL. I mean, if executed well, I could accept it and all, but I really don't think I want it. Can he just be a badass without it?

I did kind of miss everyone else though.
Me too - especially Rumple and Belle. Though I would rather have good episodes that are centered around them, instead of random scenes that don't really fit thrown in just so they're in the episode. It's the same with Regina - her and Emma were in every single episode of S1, and now people are getting upset that they aren't anymore. But the story has to progress, and there are so many characters, and so much shit happening all around.

Tick tock tick tock tick tock! :D

Date: 2012-11-06 04:01 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Once} ++ Apple)
From: [identity profile]
Ikr! At least it's not mind-fuck like Doctor Who (yet). I don't want Neal to be from FTL either, but clearly what he saw in the box made him believe August immediately, so... What is it?!

I really don't enjoy characters very much if I don't occasionally want to punch them in the face
This. Hence the love for baddies/fucked up characters :)
Emma is pretty much my dream female character. She's badass, but not all the time, she clearly has issues with her feelings, and most of all I love how she's portrayed as a woman. I mean, she's very much a woman, but without trying to be feminine. She can also be rough and has no problem with authority. I love this show for the diversity of its female characters :) (Though it seems that Rumple/Gold is always pulling the strings in the end, so it can be a bit misogynistic to make him the smart/more subtly manipulative one as opposed to Regina, but until we get the whole story I can't be sure of anything)

Though I would rather have good episodes that are centered around them, instead of random scenes that don't really fit thrown in just so they're in the episode.
Oh, me too, definitely. But I enjoyed the Storybrooke scenes a lot this season, with this sort of new society building up, David as acting Sheriff etc. so I missed all that. And I think it's the wisest move not to overuse Rumple/Gold, even if I do miss the 'plus' he brings when he's not there. Though here it allowed Hook, Neal and August to shine, so it was probably a good thing :)

Date: 2012-11-07 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I feel the urge to shout out 'WHAT'S IN THE BOX??' at random moments whenever I rewatch any of the episodes. It's killing me! If Neal is from FTL - and if he really is Bae - it just becomes a bit too much... I dunno, soap opera for me? Suddenly everyone's related and everything is fated. And while this show is big with curses and destinies, it doesn't have the 'everything needs to happen this way' theme imo. A lot of things go wrong (like, say, everything in Emma's life practically), and some things take a long time. So Emma meeting a FTL-character is a tad too much, I think. I'll roll with it, because I think they maybe can pull it off, but I'll be displeased.

Though it seems that Rumple/Gold is always pulling the strings in the end, so it can be a bit misogynistic to make him the smart/more subtly manipulative one as opposed to Regina, but until we get the whole story I can't be sure of anything
I actually thought about this too, and became a bit concerned - the whole, 'male mastermind' actually sitting behind the curtains operating everything - and we keep getting more and more information, so now it really seems like it is everything - leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth, but if we go even farther back, it is very likely that Rumple has been manipulated as well: for starters, we know for a fact that the first Dark One manipulated him, and I still say the Blue Fairy is shady as fuck and has an ulterior motive behind everything. Plus Henry and Aurora's dreams - I think there's an even bigger Big Bad whose wanted access to other worlds for a long, long time or something like it. Or maybe I just want an excuse for Rumple and Regina teaming up with the goodies to fight this Ultimate Evil ;)

Lol, I wouldn't exactly say August shone (I'm still mentally hitting him with fast-moving cars tbh), but yeah - I was especially pleased with what they did with Neal's storyline. Everyone had been expecting Henry's father to be a total asshole, and while he made a very bad call listening to August and leaving Emma (imo) he most definitely is not a bad person, at all. And Hook keeps getting better - he's very much the pirate, but he is not without his own sort of code, and I can really get behind that (also I'd maybe like to tap that, so anytime he's on my screen is a happy time ;D)

Date: 2012-11-07 06:53 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Once} ++ Snow White)
From: [identity profile]
Lol, is it bad that I already want to re-watch the show? I mean, S2 is airing right now. Obsessed, much? :D I agree with you, it always makes me cringe when everything is connected, because it's never plausible. So I hope he's not Bae, which leaves us with 'WHAT'S IN THE BOX?'. On the other hand, I really really want to find out what happened to Bae, so... Gah, this show!

Or maybe I just want an excuse for Rumple and Regina teaming up with the goodies to fight this Ultimate Evil ;)
YES, please. I've wanted that for some time now, I hope it will happen at least once! And yes, Rumple can't be behind the bad dreams and everything else, can he? Maybe it will be about Maleficient, like you said? I'd like that, clearly there's some backstory to uncover here.

Haha, by August I kinda meant the actor, it was good to see him as the 'leader' of the scene, or at least in a scene that doesn't involve Emma or Gold. It's like O'Donoghue, who got out-charismated (yes, it's a word) by Carlyle in 2.4 imo, so I like watching him with other characters :) I wanted to kick August already so it doesn't make much difference, though I still like him. I'm having conflicted August feelings. I want to find out what happened to him in present time as well!

Date: 2012-11-10 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm already rewatching as we speak... WHAT DO YOU MEAN 'IS IT BAD' OF COURSE NOT, IT'S COMPLETELY NORMAL AND SANE...

I'm hoping Bae gets his own kick-ass storyline. I heard some theories about how he might be Peter Pan, because of the whole bean-thing, but eh... he was supposed to go to a land without magic and Rumple's curse was specifically designed to take him to the same place as Bae, so I think he is (or at least has been) in our world. But not ruling out other possibilities ;)

I think Cora being a Big Bad is definitely a sign that Regina is going to be on the right path for a large part this season - fighting against her. Of course, it could turn and she could brutally murder her own mother in revenge for going after Henry or something :/ I hope we get Cora-background soon, even if I actually don't want to like her xD

Oooh, right! Yeah, on this show, its not smart to judge character's acting before you've seen them in a scene without Carlyle, haha :D though I did like their dynamic in 'The Return' - I was convinced he really was Bae for a few minutes there. Carlyle did steal the scene though. God, when he's apologizing and hugging 'Bae'... guh. So many feelings. Now if that could only happen with the real Baelfire, I'D BE QUITE HAPPY THANKYOU!

(and yes, WHERE IS AUGUST? is almost as pressing and irritating a question as WHAT'S IN THE BOX???)

Date: 2012-11-10 12:57 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Once} ++ Gold)
From: [identity profile]
OKAY THEN GOOD. It'll have to wait until Christmas though. (I'm going on fandom-hiatus from now on actually, I'll only be watching the episodes but staying out of discussions etc. I need to rock the next six weeks when it comes to classes etc. Still here to talk if you want to though :))

I'm not sure I like the idea of Bae being Peter Pan... Also I'll be sad if he is because it means the curse was for nothing and they were stuck in Storybrooke for 28 years for no reason. Of course the writers are cruel enough to do it, but...

Yup! Maybe Regina and Rumple will team up against Cora and Hook? Though I want Hook to redeem himself and not kill anyone I like, so Idk :P Cora background would be good because I don't want her to be the only character that's purely evil. Same goes for Maleficient.

I'm so biased when it comes to Carlyle's acting lol, but I really think he is that good :D Their scene in 'The Return' was really really good indeed though. But I guess I love watching everyone interacting with everyone. And yes, I want that scene with real!Bae too!

Date: 2012-11-11 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Okay :) good luck with everything! and the same goes for you <3

Oooh, yeah, imagine that :/ all that pain and suffering for absolutely no reason. I mean, it already sort of is, at least halfway, because I'm sure Rumple could have found a way that didn't involve thousands of other people being put under a curse as well, but this was just the one most powerful and there's still so much about the curse we don't know (BLUE FAIRY I STILL THINK YOU'RE THE MOST SHIFTY OF ALL BEINGS)

Hehe, I want Hook to redeem himself as well, or at least end up as he is now - in a morally grey area ;) but he seems pretty adamant on getting back at Rumple, and I'm thinking Bae is going to play a role in that whole scheme!

Date: 2012-11-06 02:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lady_songsmith
Two things about the dream - one, Snow and Charming both seem to recognize it (or am I over-reading them?). Two, Aurora says "he's" watching her, and Henry says "she's" watching him. Hmmm....

Date: 2012-11-06 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Snow does seem to recognize it - or at least like she's holding something back about her own experiences. And I did notice that! Maybe brand new villains? I can't wait to find out what they've got in mind.

Date: 2012-11-06 02:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lady_songsmith
I was actually sort of wondering if they were seeing one another. Like all the sleepers were sharing the same dream realm?

Date: 2012-11-07 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh, that's a very good theory! I hadn't even thought of that. I immedeatly went for villain, though that is probably what they want - it could maybe be some kind of bridge building, a way of contacting each other through the worlds? Okay, I have no idea. But I like your theory.

Date: 2012-11-07 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I can't decide whether I want to punch August or not.

But Neal actually seemed to love Emma and got scared away and it's not fair! Poor Emma, she never knew why he left and it really does start to make more sense why she would have felt keeping Henry wasn't in his best interests.

I assume that yep, Neal is Henry's dad, cause that would make sense. And I see why she wouldn't have told Henry the truth. Especially given what she would think is the truth. He didn't need to know that. Of course I still think that's going to bite her back one day...

On another note, I really like Neal. He might be a thief but he seems honest and caring and that's more important.

As for August! WHY?? I do sort of understant why he did what he did but seriously, you clean up your mess by hurting Emma. That is not ok!

Can I say I would be happy to just keep seeing more of Emma, Snow, Mulan and Aurora! I mean they are brilliant, all the different interactions between them. Snow accepting that Emma has looked after herself most of her life was perfect. And is it just me or did Snow looking after Aurora make you think that Snow is sad she missed being able to raise Emma herself? I mean Emma doens't really need someone to look after her.


Hook is rather sleazy, but I liked the little touch with the tattoo. But more than that I adored the way Emma never trusted him. SMART EMMA! I mean maybe he was actually going to help them but it's good to see Emma didn't just fall for him.


And the giant, thank you writers for making him an actual character!


Date: 2012-11-07 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think we should all just punch August. We can still like him...

It's one thing thinking that Emma was messed up because of the life she'd let, its another to actually see it like this - most of the people who left her may have had 'good' reasons to do so, but that doesn't change the fact that they left, and she was alone. I mean, she's been abandoned by everyone, she's still so young, and suddenly she's responsible for another life? Wow, pressure. Believing that she can't take proper care of him is not just a fear, its actually a very valid thought - isn't it better to give him away, give him 'his best chance', instead of having him grow up with her, only for her to let him down later in life? Of course, things are never that simple, but ultimately, I cannot fault Emma for her choice at all. In many ways she is like Milah in that way - while parents shouldn't abandon their children, what good is a parent whose miserable? Emma was all alone, in jail, and didn't know when, how or even if her life would ever become better. And yes, Henry definitely needs to learn the truth - especially now that there's a good chance Neal is coming to Storybrooke. God, I just want Neal to come to Storybrooke so bad!

Those four females are so brilliant! They have an interesting dynamic, and are such a kickass team - I love that we finally have such an overflow of female main characters. And I think Snow definitely feels that way. Didn't she say 'who else have I to take care of?' They could find comfort in each other, because Aurora had no-one else left, and Snow couldn't really be there for Emma right now, in the same way. Emma's still too guarded, despite everything that's happened to make them closer. Ugh, their mother/daughter relationship is perfect, perfect I tell you!!


The situation with Hook was really tricky, because now I think there's small chance he'll help them again (if he truly was out to help them this time) and will maybe be a bit bitter towards Emma, but she really couldn't risk it. If Cora gets through to Storybrooke, she'll go straight for Regina, and a fail-safe way to get to Regina is through Henry. And Emma has to put Henry first, whatever the cost may be.


Date: 2012-11-07 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
YESSSSS! Exactly!! Everything you said about Emma is TRUE! No matter everyone's reasons, she was always left alone.

NEAL NEEDS TO COME TO STORYBROOK SOON!! Now I just can't decide whether I want this to happen before Emma and Snow get back or after...

I don't know what to call the four women, but I feel they need an absolutely awesome name! Ohhh, I thought she said something like that (but then my brain shut down and I couldn't remember) and it must be so hard for her but I think it's great that she's bonding a bit with Aurora.

MUSHU! IT NEEDS MUSHU! I hope we get some backstory on her soon. And why she was travelling with Phillip.

I have a feeling that Hook might be bitter, but possibly slightly understanding, given he knows who he is and that's not always the best person. But yes, Emma is putting Henry first and you can't blame her for that.

Date: 2012-11-10 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
And this is why I'm mad at August. Because yes, there may have been instances where he was there for Emma - he really did want the best for her in going to Neal, nevermind that it was the WORST DECISION ANYONE HAS EVER MADE!!! - but she didn't know about them: he can't call himself her Guardian Angel and then take away her boyfriend, money and go to Barbados or where the fuck he went. She was left all alone (obviously Neal SHOULDN'T HAVE LISTENED but I'm more mad at August, since he had all of the facts and was the main operator)

The Fab Four... but we already have the men in a Fabolous Group so... hmmmm...

Yessss. Also if that means we get to see more of Phillip, because I actually really liked him in the five seconds we got in 'Broken'

I'm still rooting for morally ambigious Hook, so I hope you're right. After all, we've seen Hook put Milah first as well, so he should understand in a way, why Emma's doing what she's doing.

Date: 2012-11-10 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Neal shouldn't have listened, but then, he didn't know and thought he was doing the right thing. And you could tell that he wanted to do the right thing for Emma. But that would have been staying. August... I just want to smack him! I get why he did it, but that was seriously the worst way possible. And to keep the money is just tacky.


More Phillip would be great, cause he seemed like a good character. MORE!

Morally ambiguous Hook! Cause that would work brilliantly. He understands loving someone and fighting for them. But he's also sneaky and manipulative.


Date: 2012-11-11 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Exactly, Neal did not have all the facts, plus I think... he doesn't feel good enough for Emma. This is a man who knows his own flaws, and he knows he's a thief and has been one for a long while. Emma is someone he loves, completely, and it probably shouldn't take that much to convince him that he really isn't good enough for her, that she's better off without him - that he'll only end up making it worse for her, especially when she has this special mission. We also have to remember that he didn't know she was pregnant (still doesn't know about Henry at all in fact!), and I think maybe he would have chosen differently if he knew that there was a kid involved.


Date: 2012-11-11 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think, given what little we know of Neal, if he'd known Emma was pregnant he wouldn't have left her no matter what. But yep, I think you're very right. Not thinking he was good enough and such.

I saw this on the OUaT Facebook...

Once Upon a Time
Red takes center stage in the next chapter of our story tonight at 8|7c on ABC. Will you be joining us?

And to that, all I have to say is


Date: 2012-11-12 03:17 pm (UTC)
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