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You know what? I ask this show to deliver. And then it does.




- Meghan Ory is actually quite talented. She's showed her worth already in 'Red-Handed', but this allowed her to go with a lot of different aspects. We get to see Red right after her killing Peter, and how vulnerable she is, as opposed to the confident lady we see her as under the curse. And back in Storybrooke, Ruby is torn up and tormented, but also so very determined.

- Some parts of the episode felt a bit off, but I think that is mainly because we don't have all of the story: I expect we'll see some background and Red telling Granny off for lying to her about the whole parents-not-being-dead thing, because JESUS WOMAN. Isn't it enough that you keep it from her she's a bloodthirsty beast three nights of the month? Not to mention she is now responsible for both her True Loves and her mother's death and OHMYGOD RUBY YOU JUST CAN'T CATCH A BREAK PLEASE COME OVER HERE AND LET ME GIVE YOU A HUG! These things are major factors in her decision to tie up Belle and escape to face the crowd, because... well, as she says. Doesn't she have it coming? She's killed people.

- And yes, it does make a difference that she didn't kill Billy. Not only in the whole 'set-up' thing, but also because this proves that she can manage her condition, and while I wouldn't recommend any of the villagers go up and poke at her while she's transformed, it also means she is no more a danger to the town than some tired person behind the wheel of a car. And with crazies like King George, she is definitely not what they need to fear much.

- Speaking of Georgie-boy CAN I PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE??? And how much did I love that there was alluded to MAJOR CHARMING/GEORGE BATTLE-OFF IN FTL?? We get to see that right??? I WANT SWORD-FIGHTING! GIVE ME SWORD-FIGHTING!

- Also, damn you for burning the hat. JEFFERSON'S BEAUTIFUL HAT! NOT OKAY GEORGE! God. You really are a bastard.

- Belle and Ruby continue to have an awesome relationship - and Belle continues being awesome in general. But I'd like to focus on Red and Snow first, because... guh. I had to do an essay on the Grimm fairytale Snow-White and Rose-Red and I am SO HAPPY that the writers decided to make these characters practically sisters, like in that story. It works so well, and Ginnifer and Meghan have a great dynamic. They both play the younger, softer version of their characters so well, and it is breaking my heart.

- Everything in this episode is just breaking my heart. Billy :( Quinn, who was annoying but pretty :( Ruby's mom! (whose name I've already forgotten, but... oh well)

- Someone mentioned in the last review that Henry and Aurora was probably seeing each other with the whole 'he's... she's' thing AND POINTS FOR YOU. Also points for me for correctly guessing that it had to do with the sleeping curse. Let's ignore that that one was kinda obvious BECAUSE I WANT SOME POINTS.

- Finally FINALLY some Henry/Regina interaction. I am dancing in joy. It's not the heart-to-heart and sweetness that I want, but it was Regina taking care of and looking over Henry... and asking Mr. Gold for help instead of taking care of the clearly magical problem herself... I'm so proud of you Regina, you're making my heart burst. I'm giving you a standing ovation!

- I'm going to believe Gold when he says that helping Henry is for free this time, because while we should suspect EVERYTHING that happens on this show, he does sort of maybe owe Henry, because our little kid played a huge part in breaking the curse and everything. Also, Gold is also trying to become a better person, to become someone that deserves Belle and someone that deserves to get his son back, and refusing to help a scared, little boy is definitely not the way to go. I'm proud of you as well, Rumple!

- Granny CONTINUES TO BE FUCKING AWESOME. Yeah, there's been some asshattery along the way (what? that's a real term. it is), but then she wields a crossbow like a badass, and suddenly I can forgive her (even if it is another person taking someone's choices away from them for their own good, BUT it is not as extreme as certain other people *cough*Maurice*cough*Cora*cough*, and she's wised up a lot later and LEARNED FROM HER MISTAKES instead of continuing down the path of Assholeness). 'The next one goes between your eyes.' Can you move in with me please?

- Charming/David continues to grow on me. He screws up, but he's gotten on the right track and he is such an amazing friend to Ruby here. I'm a firm believer in the whole 'innocent until proven guilty', and in this world of magical enchantments and people with some serious grudges, nothing is as it seems: he's learned from not believing in Mary Margaret and I AM SO PROUD OF HIM. GOSH, Y'ALL, I JUST LOVE YOU SO MUCH THIS EPISODE!!

- ... Okay, there was maybe one point where I thought Ruby was going to die. When the mob advanced on her (and, like, the wolf has killed a dozen armed guards like it was nothing before WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA GEORGE WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID GEORGE??), I got so scared. When the scene with David walking towards her kept going so slow, and she was growling at him and... I've clearly just stopped expecting good things. Ruby, I'm so glad you're not dead.

- Has Henry grown? He's become bigger. Gosh, maybe by the end of this season he'll have a deep voice and everything. Or maybe next season. IT WILL BE WEIRD EITHER WAY. You're not allowed to grow up!

- THANK-YOU FOR THIS EPISODE IT WAS REALLY NICE SHOW! Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go hug me some characters. I've build up quite the list.



Date: 2012-11-13 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ladylavinia.livejournal.com
I'm so tired of Charming right now. I really am. I thought this episode was supposed to be about Red. But the writers took her situation and made it all about Charming and his problems with King George. I should have known better.

Date: 2012-11-14 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
Hmmm, yes, this is a thing that would bug me as well, but in this case... I don't know. Maybe its because I didn't feel like Ruby was being outshined by him, really. We got so much more of her backstory. Added to the fact that I thought it was nice seeing what George was going to do (because we've known since 2x03 that he was in Storybrooke and most likely up to no good).

Date: 2012-11-14 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fogsblue.livejournal.com
RUUUUUUUUUUBY!! Poor Ruby! Seriously, she has some of the most horrible experiences. SHE NEEDS A HUG AND LOTS OF LOOKING AFTER AND POOR RUBY!

I'm still kind of flialing. I just... So much has happened to her in FTL and she gets to be this confident woman with no guilt for a while, but then BAM! suddenly she's terrified, not of someone else but herself. And she feels so guilty.

I adored seeing more of Ruby and Snow's history. It was perfect. Just the way that despite everything, Snow just really wanted Ruby to be safe and happy. And Ruby, oh that line at the end about protecting family... Meeeep.

Can I just say Belle gets more awesome everytime we see her? Here she is, only known Ruby a short time but willing to stay with her and help her out, for no other reason than she's a friend. MORE RUBY/BELLE BROTP!

Now George on the other hand... WOW! Granny, you should've shot him! That guy is a complete arse! I mean he wants to get back at David so he uses other people? Seriously, he should go hang out with Maurice, they can be the start of the Asshatters Club! (What? I liked your term). It's sort of like the 'good' tend to avoid collatoral damage and the 'bad' will hurt anyone and anything in the process of getting what they want.

Now, onto something that doesn't make me scream at the TV, Henry and Regina! It wasn't all lovey-dovey, but it was right I think. She's trying to help but not trying to pressure him. She wants Henry to want to be with her. And helping him is a good way to do it.

Now, Rumple... I like that he helped, and yes, slightly worried about why, but for once I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because something tells me that if Rumple has a soft spot for anyone besides Belle, it's kids. Or is that just my thoughts?

Granny is just awesome. Can I just say that she may have done some stupid things, but she learnt!! Now she just wants Ruby to be safe. And seriously, she's brilliant with a crossbow. GO GRANNY!

So starting to like Charming more and more. He's being such a brilliant friend to Ruby and he's trying to do sooo much for the town while trying to save his family and HE'S LEARNING AND GROWING. Yes, I'm very proud of him too!

Don't worry, I was nervous for a second that Ruby was going to get shot by one of the people in the mob. And when David was moving closer and she was scared but.... RUBY LIVES! I LOVE RUBY!

(I'm calm, I swear!)

YES! WE NEEDED MORE RUBY AND THEY DELIVERED AND IT WAS WONDERFUL!

Date: 2012-11-14 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
We should start a 'hug Ruby' campaign or something, because jesus christ...

One thing I love is that she's still confident - confident enough to argue with Charming over what she should do, confident and brave enough to go out and face that crowd in her wolf-form. Even in the background we got, when she was still so young and insecure and scared, having just killed Peter and not at all in control of the wolf... she was still brave. She chose her best friend and her morals over her own mother, and that is such an incredible thing to do. With maybe the exception of Belle, I think Ruby is the most brave person on this entire show, because she (like Belle) continously chooses to do the right thing, even in situations where doing the 'wrong' thing is understandable, and something almost every other person would do.

Henry and Regina, Henry and Regina *does dance* Can she teach him to ride a horse now, please? Pretty please? It's all I want from life!! (...)

WE GOT RUBY THAT MEANS PETER PAN IS NEXT, YESYES, PRAYER CIRCLE FOR PETER PAN!!

Date: 2012-11-14 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fogsblue.livejournal.com
WE MUST START THE 'HUG RUBY' CAMPAIGN!!

See, this is why Ruby is so great, because she's terrified but still trying to do what she thinks she should. You're right, Ruby and Belle are both always trying to do the right thing, even if it's hard and it hurts and I LOVE THEM BOTH OK!

Ohhhh, yes! Regina needs to teach Henry, cause that would be the best way for them to bond!

PETER PAN!! WE NEED PETER PAN!

Date: 2012-11-15 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
I would watch a show of just Ruby and Belle being badass :D

Date: 2012-11-14 08:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rodlox.livejournal.com
I second what the points you've raised about Ruby and Red. (splendidly superb acting)

but I differ on one score: "innocent until proven guilty" never factored into the episode - Charming's logic was "you're innocent because you're my friend".

Date: 2012-11-14 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
Yeah, but to be fair, 'innocent because you're my friend' can be a little bit valid as well: in this case, it's 'innocent because I know you're not a bad person, and you've been in control of this before'. Point was that they didn't have specific proof, only Red's own fear and the fact that it looked like an animal-killing - something that could clearly be staged. Not to mention the fact that it is suspicious how George riles up the town so fast right after it has happened - and right after he's threatened Charming as well. I don't really see how this is any different than Emma being convinced Mary Margaret was innocent in S1, and for most of the time she 'had a hunch' because 'MM was her friend' as well.

I feel like I'm the only one not annoyed by Charming these episodes(?) =)

Date: 2012-11-14 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rodlox.livejournal.com
good points.

>and right after he's threatened Charming as well
*nods* When he did that, I thought "dude, you don't threaten that to somebody - because then if a friend of his so much as stubs a toe, you're suspect number one."

>it looked like an animal killing
that was my other problem with the ep - axes don't cause wounds similar to animal bites. (Spencer wasn't acting alone - he was willing to take the full blame, though)

nope, I've been annoyed by The Charming & Snow Show since early s1. its the other characters (like Red and Belle) who keep me coming back.

Date: 2012-11-15 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
Exactly! I'm not even surprised your plan was foiled George, I don't think you were even trying. I really don't know why he didn't just get the hat and destroy it to start with, because that was clearly much more effect. Oh well.

Right, I mean, ripping someone apart like that... I really don't know how they accomplished that. I mean, it was a good plan in theory, but how they actually did it... magic? A really pissed off poodle? I've no idea.

Aaawww, I guess I'm one of the crazies who love practically everyone ;) (well, except for George and Cora, for now..)

Date: 2012-11-15 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rodlox.livejournal.com
>I really don't know why he didn't just get the hat and destroy it to start with, because that was clearly much more effect.
well, first you'd have to get Charming to leave the hat alone for more than two minutes.

(I suppose George could have offered Henry a chance to learn knight skills from him - and Charming would run in and stop them because "that's my job!")

but, aside from me, how many OUAT fans would want to watch that?

>Right, I mean, ripping someone apart like that... I really don't know how they accomplished that. I mean, it was a good plan in theory, but how they actually did it... magic? A really pissed off poodle? I've no idea.
I bought one of the episode's red herrings...when they first showed that werewolf guy following Red and Snow, and his eyes changed, I thought "ah, so that's who's going to be committing hte murder and framing Red."

>Aaawww, I guess I'm one of the crazies who love practically everyone
I love a lot of them as well. (I think I may've been one of Kathryn's few fans in s1)...its just - Snow and Charming (particularly him) would interupt good acting scenes with blatant hypocrisy.

(if I make a promise which would have saved many families, and I break it because I don't feel like honoring it - don't I thereby lose any right to accuse others of breaking promises?)

> ;) (well, except for George and Cora, for now..)
I have a feeling that, by the time the show lets us see the FTL battle between George and Charming, we'll have much more sympathy for the King.
(how many fans do we think were believers in Regina's capacity for love/goodness, way back in 1.01?)

Date: 2012-11-16 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
I bought one of the episode's red herrings...when they first showed that werewolf guy following Red and Snow, and his eyes changed, I thought "ah, so that's who's going to be committing hte murder and framing Red."
I didn't even think of that! I was too invested in the whole 'omg, more werewolves' thing to even consider that he might be all evil in Storybrooke now :D

if I make a promise which would have saved many families, and I break it because I don't feel like honoring it - don't I thereby lose any right to accuse others of breaking promises?
I'm a bit confused as to what incident you're referring to here?

And yes, I definitely have a feeling we'll get some Cora and George background. We've already had hints that George had gotten some major shit out of life, and there's so much evidence to Cora being the Millers Daughter from the original Rumplestiltskin-fairytale - we're bound to get some backstory there as well.

Date: 2012-11-14 12:47 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Once} ++ Apple)
From: [identity profile] the-silverdoe.livejournal.com
(I'm still on hiatus, but I just had 4 hours of Latin translation so I'm catching up on the f-list ;))

Actually I didn't really like the episode, mostly, I think, because the acting disappointed me. All of Ruby's scenes with her mother and the other wolves made me go 'meh'. Mehgan Ory is very pretty but her acting has it's limits (my feeling anyway). (Also every time it's about werewolves I think about BH and compared to this, 1.2 and the MacNair storyline in S3 were so much better. I know it's unfair to OUaT to compare, but I couldn't help it). I still love Ruby's character to bits though, but I felt like the ep was a bit 'cheaper' than the show's usual standards.

King George, you bastard!! I thought David was awesome in this ep, which is good because I've always liked David :) All the points for the Belle/Ruby and Ruby/Snow friendships, but I especially liked the Ruby/Belle scenes and yay Belle had scenes without Gold, she can be a proper character, hallelujah!
I'm glad we got the answer re the sleeping-curse induced dreams. Given that the plot point was painfully obvious, I'm glad they made it clear already :)

About Gold, he was always nice to Henry, even back in S1, so I like to think he's fond of Henry and has fatherly feelings or something. At least I hope so :) And Regina, guh, I'm loving her more and more. (And yup, I'm having Gold and Regina feelings even if they only had 2mns of screen-time. And I want Belle/Rumple scenes, soon! Please?)

Date: 2012-11-14 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
(Hey, it's you! Is it weird that all you have to do is say you're taking a hiatus, and I instantly start missing you? I hope everything's going well (= )

I agree, it was 'weaker' than a lot of what we've seen this far - I was mostly distracted by the very bad CGI in some of the wolf-scenes, which is also annoying because I usually don't mind that much. And I think I like Ory's acting so much because I thought she was kind of blah in the very first few episodes, before her character got more layers and everything. But I wasn't too psyched on the actor they'd picked for Ruby's mother - I mean, she wasn't awful, but I just didn't really feel anything much? I wasn't even that sad when she died (only sad for Ruby - and it might also have something to do with the fact that she'd just almost eaten Snow AND YOU DON'T MESS WITH THE SNOWY-WOWY LEAVE HER ALONE!)

I'm so glad you enjoyed David too! I see him getting so much crap for his actions this episode, but I keep feel like he's acting very... Emma, actually. He's doing stuff that I could imagine her doing as well, back when she was Sheriff, and I'm loving it.
And ssssh, the sleeping-curse thing was not obvious, let me have my joy that I correctly guessed something! xD

I do think Gold has a soft spot for Henry - possibly for children in general, we've just only seen him interact with Henry - and there's something extra with our little boy wonder, because of everything Henry has been through, and his part in breaking the curse. I also loved how Gold doesn't say 'oh, this is for free', because magic always comes with a price, he says 'this ones on me' - whatever price there is, Gold will pay it. For Henry. And unless there's an ulterior motive (and I really don't think there is this time), then that is just so sweet of him, and such a huge step.

Date: 2012-11-15 07:03 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Once} ++ Gold)
From: [identity profile] the-silverdoe.livejournal.com
(Aw, me too <3 It's torture to stay away, I'm only popping by for two minutes again ;) Today was Spanish, 6 hours non-stop, gah. I haven't shown brilliance, but it could be worse, lol. Also I'm glad to go back to classes and stuff)

The CGI is one of the things that bug me the most about the show, tbh. It's not very good, and I'm afraid it will look ridiculous in a few years time. I mean, you can tell where the green screen was :/ Actually I really liked Ory's scenes in 2.4 for example, but in this ep, and particularly as Red, I thought the way she said her lines was over-the-top and nearly ridiculous. It's a shame. I enjoyed the 'Ruby' scenes more actually :)

Well, what did he do wrong? True, he was very Emma-like, so I can't blame them when they screw up, because they're trying to do right by people. I'm really enjoying Sheriff!David and most of all his relationship with Henry.
Lol, okay then ;) Can't wait to see where the dream storyline is going!

Ooh, that is so true and I didn't spot it at all! He's going to pay the price himself, that's a big step indeed. 'This one's on me'...Gah, it could be anything!
(I'm re-watching various eps and realising there are still many loose ends from S1 and things we don't know etc. It's not often that I see an American show that doesn't apologize about being a bit complicated. Hence all the good feelings about it :))

Date: 2012-11-16 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
(*hugs* sounds tough :/ I get exhausted just thinking about it!)

It's especially glaring when so many other shows are doing the CGI very well - and if they don't have budget for it, they use other methods that work just as well, and looks very cool. Red in wolf-form from S1 looked very cool, so this episode was very much of a let-down in regards to that. Also, the wolves looked smaller?? Maybe it was just in size to each other, since last time we saw it, Ruby looked pretty massive compared to Peter.

There's apparantly a general consensus that David was only going for his own interest when he was helping Ruby - and it bugs me, because its exactly what Emma did with Mary Margaret as well, and if he hadn't supported Ruby like he had, people would be calling him out on that instead (+ he wouldn't be the Charming we know at all. It would be extremely OOC and not very good-guy like of him). Okay, rambling now. But its getting to me! I wanted to punch David Nolan in the face as well for msot of last season, but he is just human people!

I rewatched 'The Heart is a Lonely Hunter' last night and OMG, Graham gives Snow a whistle that can call for help when she needs it AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN HER USE IT AT ALL! If they've just dropped this plot-point I will be very dissapointed. I want surprise!whistle in one of the next episodes. In fact, I demand it.

Date: 2012-11-17 06:44 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Once} ++ Snow White)
From: [identity profile] the-silverdoe.livejournal.com
(*hugs back* I nearly fainted this morning and couldn't complete my Geography exam :/ Luckily my teacher told me I was very pale so it's not like she thought I was faking it or something. I almost made it through the week though, so I'm proud :))

Yup, even in Sanctuary, where the budget was really small, the CGI looked better. And yes, the wolf was bigger in S1...

Really? I didn't interpret it like that at all, I think he was genuinely trying to help, that's all. And I disagree when people say they made Ruby's ep all about David. I think it was very much Ruby's ep, even if other characters got a bit of development in the process.

Omg, I'd forgotten about that! Every time I re-watch an episode I remember something different. Lol, let's campaign for the whistle's comeback :P

Date: 2012-11-19 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
(Omg! Please be careful :/ I know this is something you have to deal with a lot, but I can't help worrying all the time. Pushing yourself is good, pushing yourself too hard is not. <3)

That's how I saw it as well. And honestly, I would rather have the plots interwoven, instead of something completely random and unrelated happening to Ruby, for the sake of having a Ruby-ep. This way it fits with the rest of the plot - season 2 has been much more plot-driven than season 1, because a huge part of the major backstory is out of the way, and everyone remembers now that the curse is broken, and are therefore taking a much more active part in what's happening. Plus, I'd almost completely forgotten about creeper!George watching David teach Henry to swordfight, so it was nice seeing that particular plot-point being dealt with.

There are so many things! Also, is Sydney still in the asylum?... Can someone please let Sydney out? O.o

Date: 2012-11-19 04:52 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Once} ++ Emma)
From: [identity profile] the-silverdoe.livejournal.com
(I will, don't worry <3 And I know, but right now I need to prove them that I'm tough enough to make it, so until Christmas it's going to be tough, but I can't miss classes or anything.)

Exactly. I just re-watched 1.8, and while it was Rumple-centered, everyone had scenes. I don't see why that should be a problem, that doesn't make it any less about the person the episode is about.

Omg, yes, I miss Sidney! And everyone seems to have forgotten about him :/ No episode this week, boo, I need my fix!

Date: 2012-11-20 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
(Good luck then <3 (= )

I didn't know there was no episode this week, what is this fuckery ohgod I'm not sure I can cope, I mean, that sucks so much :/

Date: 2012-11-20 06:54 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Who} ++ Super Temp)
From: [identity profile] the-silverdoe.livejournal.com
(Thanks <3 My English oral exam went okay, I think :))

Well, I was watching the promo and saw the date and I went all 'Nooo', lol. I hate ABC for that, something they stop airing for three weeks or more, they did that all the time with Desperate Housewives. Yes, I watched that. Also, what's with the mid-season break thing? I read about that on Tumblr, but I didn't really get it. Are they splitting the season in two?

Date: 2012-11-21 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
(That's good (: )

Lol, no judging with the Desperate Housewives thing - my guilty pleasure is currently american vampire shows that are only better than Twilight because they have fabolous villains. And they're doing a mid-season break? Why didn't I know that? WHAAA NO!!!

Date: 2012-11-21 08:33 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Sh} ++ As if death itself was undone)
From: [identity profile] the-silverdoe.livejournal.com
Really, what are you watching? I don't exactly know, but I don't want it! Though I've read we'll have more Belle and Rumple screen-time as the season goes on, so that's good news!

Date: 2012-11-22 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
The Vampire Diaries. It is so awful until the end of S2 when my baby villain shows up xD

Yeah, I read that I think episode 9 will be Belle-centric! Which we really need, because all the episodes that have focused on her have been about her relationship with Rumple - and while I definitely want to see more of that, I also want Belle being awesome on her own (which she has had a lot of time to do as well, but a whole episode of that...)

Date: 2012-11-22 07:59 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Human} ++ Through the storm)
From: [identity profile] the-silverdoe.livejournal.com
Ha, I'll check it out, just for fun :)

Yay! Definitely, I was so glad she had Rumple-less scenes in the last episode, she needs a chance to become more than just his love interest - which is already the case, but yeah, watching her interact with other characters will be fun :) I need Rumple/Gold scenes, though, I've started stalking Carlyle's work on YT, it's getting bad

Date: 2012-11-23 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
It's good for watching when there's nothing else to do and you don't feel like using your brain much, haha :D

Her friendship with Ruby is turning out to be everything I dreamed it would be. They compliment each other as characters a lot; they're both very very loyal, and very very brave. But I miss Rumple/Gold scenes as well! I rewatched 'The Shepherd' the other day, and guh... I just want to sit down and write page after page on his different behavior towards different people, different moments in his life, what he wants in that moment, how much he hates himself, how different the scenes are when you have more of his backstory... If I hadn't already picked a subject for my major, I would try to convince my teacher that this should be it xD

Date: 2012-11-23 09:15 pm (UTC)
ext_830484: ({Human} ++ When I look at the world)
From: [identity profile] the-silverdoe.livejournal.com
I'll try an episode tomorrow then, I'm ill so I can't ask much from my brain ;)

I very much agree, I wanted it to happen and it did! It's like, so far, this show is really trying to make me happy!
Omg yes, I want a degree in Rumple/Gold. I could write essays about the guy, that would be less of a problem than writing my actual essays... Actually, I want a degree in tv shows knowledge, majoring in villains and minoring in shipping doomed pairings. How about that? :P

Date: 2012-11-25 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
Ugh, hope you feel a little better soon <3 (:

Haha, that sounds excellent :D is there a school for that?

Date: 2012-11-14 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonstarlin.livejournal.com
I too was so glad to see Regina, and with Henry for her sake though his totally absence of care annoys me, she needs better sources of happiness, he fails nut afraid not happening. Love Charming called her, I can so see him becoming friends with her, they started to before he remembered ( though they REALLY need to bring back Katherine and hash some of that Regina friendship....plus Sydney, though I think his other show is why hasn't been seen hopefully will work something out). Enjoyed seeing Red, and her friendship with Snow, continued some precurse history which I need and want. I like real time fantasy s/l but I think would have liked it more if hadn't happened first episode-too much separation driving me nuts to have so many episodes with out mains (Regina for me but true across the board), I appreciate prolongs some suspense, revelations, etc. Its a balancing act...and all good, just strained by time, just feel unsatisfied so far. Hopefully looks like the main arc comes to hiatus head, and the second half of season just has storybroke and past fairytale land for awhile.

Date: 2012-11-15 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
Well, I'm very satisfied with S2 this far - of course everything can't be great, and there are bound to be some mediocre episodes anyway: at least there hasn't been any of them so bad I've wanted to hit my head against the table (which do tend to happen with a lot of shows that I watch). And lol, it does seem like everyone's forgotten Sydney locked up in the asylum... which is kind of terrible if its true.

Date: 2012-11-16 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonstarlin.livejournal.com
Yeah, I doubt Syd is still locked up, free and just not around, maybe in whole a different kind of bottle... I know there was an interview with the creators and it was mentioned how he had another show, and that's how it goes, and they talked about having to work around that in Lost, so at least it's on their radar.

That's the number one problem with lots of characters and story lines, balancing. I love the complexity, and I've always been more interested in character development driven shows, with long plot arcs vs. stand alone shows where no one ever really changes. I don't want to say I'm not enjoying season two, and there are a lot of things I like about Snow/Emma being gone...namely Snow/Emma interaction, a break from Emma/Henry and Emma vs. Regina (pretty sure I will never be a Snow Queen fan), I just wish it could have been like a two hour premier with more of the immediate reactions/finding each other stuff in there.

It's a testimate to the great "sides" that I suppose I didn't feel that way, didn't even have to be on screen so to speak as that's a lot of money in actors, David could have had a one-sided phone call checking up on Katherine, Grumpy could have stood alone outside Nova's for a moment of reflection, etc.. Some of it was handled by the idea of draging it out, people having a hard time reuniting across the town, I just could have just used like one more episode with more of that stuff- certainly not happy endings yet, but what could you cut when everything on the screen has also been good?

It's just a double edged sword, wouldn't be as good with out so many lines, but also makes time crunches extra harsh. So while I "complain" I also can't take a single point against them, as all there is still been good, I don't have any real they should have NEVER done that scene at the cost of these others, so good it's painful :).

The only thing that's been out and out bad, imo, is some of the cgi. The wolf and the giant, just ouch.

Date: 2012-11-17 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keep-counting.livejournal.com
Hmm, I want more of those moments as well, but since we're still only on episode 7, I'm holding out hope we'll see more of the minor characters and their interactions. We still need August and Gepetto as well! There's just so much. Where's Jefferson now? Can he make a new hat now that they have fairy dust? What's Whale up to at the moment - still determined to get back to his brother? Has Regina been abusing magic without us knowing - or will she? Will Doc ever get his memories back?

SO. MANY. QUESTIONS!

I actually didn't think the giant was done so badly - probably because it was a real actor playing. But the ogre was a bit 50/50 and the wolves this episode were really bad - which is annoying, because back in 'Red-Handed' Red in wolf-form was actually quite good I thought.

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