Once Upon A Time 2x05 - The Doctor
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- Dr. Frankenstein. DR FRANKENSTEIN!! Which of you guys called it?
- This episode was imo the 'weakest' of these five first of S2, but that most certainly doesn't mean it was bad. There was a few writing choices I wasn't too happy about, but when looking back, there's nothing I can put my finger on and say 'there, that was stupid' etc.
- When Charming took Henry to the stables, was I the only one who wanted Regina to show up there and help him insetad - considering her love of riding? I really want to see them start to mend their relationship. That's one thing I was miffed about this episode, and then again... I can sort of understand it: when they saved Henry from Daniel, Regina hardly looked at Henry - but on the other hand, she must have trusted Charming to warn her if Henry was seriously injured, and he clearly wasn't plus the fact that FUCKING DANIEL WAS STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER. So I can forgive it. I just want them to mend their relationship so badly, because I don't think Regina is strong enough to do this if she doesn't have someone to do this for, and that has to be Henry.
- Okay, so Rumplestiltskin giving Dr. Whale his arm back just in exchange for the doctor admitting he was wrong was... kind of nice? I get that there's the whole sense of pride (and they're both very proud), but still... yeah, I think I'm just looking for excuses to say nice things about Rumple, because these last few episodes have made me so mad at him. There's a huge difference between offering someone a way to power - like he to Regina did in 2x02 - and actively manipulating and ruining their lives to make it happen. Regina was made by Rumple, almost as much as she was by Cora: her mother was the gun, and Rumple is the bullet. And it's been hundreds of years for Rumple that he has become so ruthless - he will literally do anything to get back to Bae, and he doesn't care who he hurts on the way there. But offering Regina magic is one thing, this? This is very cruel, and while this episode very much sets Regina further on the path to redemption, the backstory we're getting for Rumple is definitely not setting him in a positive light at all.
- I keep being proud of Regina: she seeks out help herself by going to Archie (not just once, but twice!) and that is such a huge step to take. She's keeping her promise to Henry. I am so happy with the way this episode surprised me: I watched the promo last night, and was surprised that we would get this horrible experience with Daniel, and it would give her a setback: she would become darker, so marred by this experience of having her True Love back only to lose him all over again. And that's not what happened at all! If anything it had a somewhat positive effect: Regina was finally able to let go, and in letting go move on from this horrible incident that started so much hate.
- Jefferson! How amazing was it to see him pre-Grace? I mean, I'm guessing this is before he met his True Love and had his daughter, or at least before his wife died: I love how we got his and Regina's first meeting, that he's making deals with Rumple etc. And also, 'slippers' that transports through worlds? WE GOT FRANKENSTIEN CAN WE PLEASE GET WIZARD OF OZ YESYES I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH TO ASK!!
- No, but seriously, rewatch this episode and just look at Jefferson in all his scenes. That is some amazing acting; he's such a twelve-year old, throwing himself down on the couch, constantly fiddling about. And he's so dramatic. When he and Regina are walking towards Victor Frankenstein for the first time, he says something really over the top and Regina rolls her eyes at him, and I just about died laughing.
- Also, clearly he's been to Neverland to exchange fashion tips with Captain Hook. Look at that outfit! And the hair! And the eyeliner! Jeff, baby, you're looking fabolous!
- Speaking of Captain Hook, can we appreciate how smug he looked when Emma knew who he was? And apparantly her ability to tell when people are lying is back. Hallelujah, but at least they didn't just blindly believe him? It was very nice for a change, to have the heroes figure it out right from the start, and of course Hook is pirate enough to just change the deal. Also, Jack and the Beanstalk! Yaaay
- The shot of Snow pulling the hook out of the satchel is really well-done: properly dramatic and everything. Okay, I don't know, I just really liked it okay?
- Dr. Whale. DR. WHALE. David Anders, you are an amazing actor. I love the clear differences between Victor Frankenstein and Whale, how apathetic he is as his 'real' self compared to how compassionate he actually is as Whale? I mean, there's still so much we don't know about him - and the world he's from - and I'm really wondering why Regina pulled him through as well. Is there more to their story together, or was she just bitter that his methods didn't work?
- I also loved that we finally had a Frankenstein going 'it's alive' without shouting it at the top of his lungs.
- (AUGUST WHERE ARE YOU???)
- the final scene with Regina and Rumple, where she pulls out the heart of the new apprentice was properly powerful, but I just couldn't help but laugh a little because REGINA'S WARDROBE HAD GONE DARK LIKE HER SOUL!! Sorry, I do actually like it when you can see what stages of 'darkness' a character is in by their clothes (wardrobe-porn this way please) but it amused me nonetheless this time.
- Lana Parrilla was very good this episode. I love how she plays the younger version of herself: you can see the constant uncertainty shining out of baby!Regina's eyes and actually believe that this woman is many years younger than the one we're seeing now, despite the actor being the same age when she plays. I love how Jefferson has to remind her that she's the Queen, like, hello, you can basically do whatever you want sweet-cheeks.
- Charming punching Whale was really stupid. Sorry if you found it funny, I just.. I mean, what? I could get it if he'd done something to Mary Margaret that was upsetting, but dude... he just slept with her, it was completely consensual for both parties and HELLO CHARMING YOU WERE MARRIED YOU BIG IDIOT. I was glad we didn't get more of the confrontation, and I'll chalk some of it up to Charming being frustrated about everything that's happening and just needed to take it out on someone (not that that makes it alright!), but it still bugs me. If Snow had been unhappy about something Dr. Whale had done, she can smack him herself thanks.
- Hmm. Snow White had sex with Victor Frankenstein. My childhood just died a little.(but i secretly like it)
- When Hook said 'get revenge on the man who took my hand', was I the only one who expected Emma to go 'Peter Pan?'?? I still want Peter Pan to be on this show! The only thing I want more is to see Bae (and not have him be Henry's father or be evil), followed by seeing more of Milah. BUT PETER PAN IS RIGHT AFTER THAT, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SOME PETER PAN??? My childhood demands it.
- Who did you think Whale was? I feel like I've been around almost everything. Peter Pan, King Arthur, Merlin... why did I think he was Merlin?? I don't even know.
- Also, science! Science beats magic, lol, Victor, you are truly fabolous (you can join the fab!men club: run by Rumple, with current members Killian Jones and Jefferson (Charming is on hold in being a member; he needs to get his sassy!cape back from the pilot and 1x22 and he can finally join)
- Dr. Frankenstein. DR FRANKENSTEIN!! Which of you guys called it?
- This episode was imo the 'weakest' of these five first of S2, but that most certainly doesn't mean it was bad. There was a few writing choices I wasn't too happy about, but when looking back, there's nothing I can put my finger on and say 'there, that was stupid' etc.
- When Charming took Henry to the stables, was I the only one who wanted Regina to show up there and help him insetad - considering her love of riding? I really want to see them start to mend their relationship. That's one thing I was miffed about this episode, and then again... I can sort of understand it: when they saved Henry from Daniel, Regina hardly looked at Henry - but on the other hand, she must have trusted Charming to warn her if Henry was seriously injured, and he clearly wasn't plus the fact that FUCKING DANIEL WAS STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER. So I can forgive it. I just want them to mend their relationship so badly, because I don't think Regina is strong enough to do this if she doesn't have someone to do this for, and that has to be Henry.
- Okay, so Rumplestiltskin giving Dr. Whale his arm back just in exchange for the doctor admitting he was wrong was... kind of nice? I get that there's the whole sense of pride (and they're both very proud), but still... yeah, I think I'm just looking for excuses to say nice things about Rumple, because these last few episodes have made me so mad at him. There's a huge difference between offering someone a way to power - like he to Regina did in 2x02 - and actively manipulating and ruining their lives to make it happen. Regina was made by Rumple, almost as much as she was by Cora: her mother was the gun, and Rumple is the bullet. And it's been hundreds of years for Rumple that he has become so ruthless - he will literally do anything to get back to Bae, and he doesn't care who he hurts on the way there. But offering Regina magic is one thing, this? This is very cruel, and while this episode very much sets Regina further on the path to redemption, the backstory we're getting for Rumple is definitely not setting him in a positive light at all.
- I keep being proud of Regina: she seeks out help herself by going to Archie (not just once, but twice!) and that is such a huge step to take. She's keeping her promise to Henry. I am so happy with the way this episode surprised me: I watched the promo last night, and was surprised that we would get this horrible experience with Daniel, and it would give her a setback: she would become darker, so marred by this experience of having her True Love back only to lose him all over again. And that's not what happened at all! If anything it had a somewhat positive effect: Regina was finally able to let go, and in letting go move on from this horrible incident that started so much hate.
- Jefferson! How amazing was it to see him pre-Grace? I mean, I'm guessing this is before he met his True Love and had his daughter, or at least before his wife died: I love how we got his and Regina's first meeting, that he's making deals with Rumple etc. And also, 'slippers' that transports through worlds? WE GOT FRANKENSTIEN CAN WE PLEASE GET WIZARD OF OZ YESYES I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH TO ASK!!
- No, but seriously, rewatch this episode and just look at Jefferson in all his scenes. That is some amazing acting; he's such a twelve-year old, throwing himself down on the couch, constantly fiddling about. And he's so dramatic. When he and Regina are walking towards Victor Frankenstein for the first time, he says something really over the top and Regina rolls her eyes at him, and I just about died laughing.
- Also, clearly he's been to Neverland to exchange fashion tips with Captain Hook. Look at that outfit! And the hair! And the eyeliner! Jeff, baby, you're looking fabolous!
- Speaking of Captain Hook, can we appreciate how smug he looked when Emma knew who he was? And apparantly her ability to tell when people are lying is back. Hallelujah, but at least they didn't just blindly believe him? It was very nice for a change, to have the heroes figure it out right from the start, and of course Hook is pirate enough to just change the deal. Also, Jack and the Beanstalk! Yaaay
- The shot of Snow pulling the hook out of the satchel is really well-done: properly dramatic and everything. Okay, I don't know, I just really liked it okay?
- Dr. Whale. DR. WHALE. David Anders, you are an amazing actor. I love the clear differences between Victor Frankenstein and Whale, how apathetic he is as his 'real' self compared to how compassionate he actually is as Whale? I mean, there's still so much we don't know about him - and the world he's from - and I'm really wondering why Regina pulled him through as well. Is there more to their story together, or was she just bitter that his methods didn't work?
- I also loved that we finally had a Frankenstein going 'it's alive' without shouting it at the top of his lungs.
- (AUGUST WHERE ARE YOU???)
- the final scene with Regina and Rumple, where she pulls out the heart of the new apprentice was properly powerful, but I just couldn't help but laugh a little because REGINA'S WARDROBE HAD GONE DARK LIKE HER SOUL!! Sorry, I do actually like it when you can see what stages of 'darkness' a character is in by their clothes (wardrobe-porn this way please) but it amused me nonetheless this time.
- Lana Parrilla was very good this episode. I love how she plays the younger version of herself: you can see the constant uncertainty shining out of baby!Regina's eyes and actually believe that this woman is many years younger than the one we're seeing now, despite the actor being the same age when she plays. I love how Jefferson has to remind her that she's the Queen, like, hello, you can basically do whatever you want sweet-cheeks.
- Charming punching Whale was really stupid. Sorry if you found it funny, I just.. I mean, what? I could get it if he'd done something to Mary Margaret that was upsetting, but dude... he just slept with her, it was completely consensual for both parties and HELLO CHARMING YOU WERE MARRIED YOU BIG IDIOT. I was glad we didn't get more of the confrontation, and I'll chalk some of it up to Charming being frustrated about everything that's happening and just needed to take it out on someone (not that that makes it alright!), but it still bugs me. If Snow had been unhappy about something Dr. Whale had done, she can smack him herself thanks.
- Hmm. Snow White had sex with Victor Frankenstein. My childhood just died a little.
- When Hook said 'get revenge on the man who took my hand', was I the only one who expected Emma to go 'Peter Pan?'?? I still want Peter Pan to be on this show! The only thing I want more is to see Bae (and not have him be Henry's father or be evil), followed by seeing more of Milah. BUT PETER PAN IS RIGHT AFTER THAT, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SOME PETER PAN??? My childhood demands it.
- Who did you think Whale was? I feel like I've been around almost everything. Peter Pan, King Arthur, Merlin... why did I think he was Merlin?? I don't even know.
- Also, science! Science beats magic, lol, Victor, you are truly fabolous (you can join the fab!men club: run by Rumple, with current members Killian Jones and Jefferson (Charming is on hold in being a member; he needs to get his sassy!cape back from the pilot and 1x22 and he can finally join)
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Date: 2012-10-31 04:38 pm (UTC)I hope and pray that we'll get Regina and Henry bonding-time with the horses, because it is a perfect opportunity!
Don't get me wrong, I still love Rumple to pieces, but DAMMIT!!! Just... guh. There is so much he has to be forgiven for, and he has such a long way to go yet and... just uuuugggghhhhhh.
YES PETER PAN PLEASE!!!
David Nolan could have definitely benefited from a good punch in the face!
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Date: 2012-10-31 11:08 pm (UTC)Ohhhh, I will always love Rumple, but I'm not sure how much I'll like him sometimes. He's done so much wrong, but maybe there's hope yet.
Hehehehe! Maybe we'll get lucky and Katherine's prince will appear and punch him for marrying his True Love? :P
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Date: 2012-11-01 05:48 pm (UTC)I keep feeling like they won't be so kind as to redeem both Rumple and Regina; one of them has to go. And considering that Rumple has (imo) more to answer for than Regina (I'm not comparing evilness because they've both done bad things and both have had damn good reasons for doing some of the shit they've done), I think he'll be the one to go. Regina has Henry, after all. And I think so much on Rumple depends on Bae: what kind of a person is he now? Has it just been a few years for him, so he's still a kid, or has he grown up? It's another reason why I really don't want him to be Henry's real father, because as far as we know, he was not a nice person at all, and if Bae has grown up to be this horrible person, I think it'll break Rumple because so much of it will be 'his fault' about that.
Haha, fingers crossed for another glimpse of Frederick in the near future :D
(btw, I don't wanna spoil you, but I accidentally caught some snatched of 2x07 pics and... it looks like we ARE getting a Ruby-centric episode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Date: 2012-11-01 11:28 pm (UTC)Ok, now that I'm calm and over that a bit...
I understand what you mean, Regina actually seems to be actively seeking redemption. It's something she really wants. It honestly seems like Rumple has no real desire to redeem himself, he just wants to find his son and seems willing to do almost anything to find him. Actually as much as I love Rumple, he does tend to be happy to ignore everyone elses desires in favour of what he wants. You see it with Belle even.
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Date: 2012-11-02 12:54 pm (UTC)Yep, though I would say in regards to the 'happy to ignore everyone elses desires', that this doesn't always extend to Belle: he was ready to let her go already back in FTL in 'Skin Deep', and he definitely is in 'The Crocodile' (getting her the job at the library wasn't him trying to bribe her: it was an apology for lying to her, and he clearly looks surprised when she calls him back and offers him a small window of chance). This is in very sharp contrast to the way he acted right at the start, when he'd gotten his powers, with the 'I protected what belongs to me' and his behavior towards Milah (namely ripping out her heart and killing her!). He has gotten a lot better at it, and I think when Bae comes along, he is hopefully going to be respectful towards his son and go 'hey, I know I've done a lot of shit but I am so sorry for hurting you, I love you', and hopefully Bae will be; 'dude, we gotta talk, because you killed my mom and a lot of other people and destroyed lots of lives just to get back to me, and that is terrible and not okay, but yeah, you're my dad and I still love you too.' I just want a reunion like what we saw with Belle: 'hey, you're not completely forgiven for all that crap, but we can work on it starting now.' JUST GIVE ME THAT SHOW, PLEASE!