Once Upon a Time 2x08 - Into the Deep
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keep_counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to talk about this in a somewhat chronological (and coheret) fashion. There are a lot of things to like about this episode, though it mainly is a decvice in furthering the plot - and that's okay. The episode was still action-packed and suspenseful, and sometimes episodes like this can be very slow for the sake of getting explaining out of the way. I enjoyed this episode. I really did. Well, up until the screaming started.
- Okay, first of all I want to start off by saying WE GOT TO SEE BELLE AND RUMPLE ON THEIR DATE!!! Granted, it was interrupted, BUT WE GOT TO SEE INTERACTION AND THEM BEING CUTE WITH EACH OTHER AND BEING IN PUBLIC TOGETHER, which is a very important step, people. Clearly, Gold is not liked. Why should he be? But Belle doesn't let that stop her. She knows he's trying to become a better person, and she'll be the one to decide if a person is worth it or not, thank-you. They were on a dater guys! I actually had to pause the episode in order to just sit and squee for a moment.
- That being said, Gold... 'You remember Regina, right, the woman who locked you up for 28 years?' I know you're trying to make Regina leave, but please think of Belle here. That is not something nice to be reminded of, especially not in public where anyone might hear. And it's really not their business. Jackass move, Gold, jackass move.
- The whole plan - stopping Cora by getting information from Henry through Aurora - was actually a good one. That being said, David going under the sleeping curse was, imo, a stupid move. I can see why it was done - god, can I see why it was done. But, as was proven, it didn't end very well. The town is now without a Sheriff and morale voice, and while I'm sure people such as Ruby, Archie and others will be willing to step in and make sure the people in Storybrooke stay civil, David was a strong and much-needed front-figure for many of them. He's proven his worth, and now... well, now he's fucking sleeping until his wife gets home. And okay, so I love that now Snow gets to save Charming, and to save him from the same curse as he once did her, but dammit. Now you're stuck down there, the amulet that was protecting Henry is broken and YOU'RE STUCK DOWN THERE. You had no idea if kissing Snow in the dream would work or not, but you knew Henry would be out of there as soon as he woke! AND DID I MENTION YOU'RE STUCK THERE NOW????
- Speaking of sleeping curses, Henry yet again proved his worth. You can't expect even a fully-grown person to be as brave as Henry has been (just in this episode even), and yet there he is, hardly eleven years old and braving the storm. Henry, you don't listen to what the big bad fandom says, you are awesome and so brave and I love you.
- We also got Regina and Henry interaction and it was sweet and genuine and so touching and... okay, so I teared up a little bit. I also teared up a lot in the Snow/Charming reunion. Ginnifer's acting kills me (Josh is very good as well, but Ginnifer!!) and I love what she pointed out: the 'I will always find you' mantra, means that there will always be a need to find each other. They are forever losing their family, time and time again.
- Regina and Henry holding hands, and her assuring him that she hasn't used magic (much) is a scene I have already replayed three times now.
- The umbrella Cora is holding when she's talking to Hook at the beanstalk: it looks almost exactly like the one Regina has in 'Skin Deep', when she's talking to Belle (it might even possibly be the same one). Extremely nice job, costume department.
- I don't really like that Emma is suddenly blaming everything on Regina? Granted, it is her fault, the curse and everything, and the whole thing with Daniel and Snow doesn't justify it... but it was just... it doesn't sit well with me. Emma suddenly blaming Regina? Even after everything she's experience by Cora's hand in FTL? When Snow has told her that Cora is worse than Regina, and also right after Snow has explained that Regina is the way she is because of what Cora did? Sure, Regina chose to blame Snow as much as she blamed her mother, and that was not okay at all (TWELVE THE GIRL WAS TWELVE FOR FUCKS SAKE). On the other hand, Emma has so many reasons to resent Regina, and she can't always be the bigger person. She does have a right to be angry with her, and she never really got a chance to after the truth was discovered. I mean, they are partly stuck in FTL because of Regina. (no, actually, I'm happy to blame that on Gold)
- Speaking of evil... Cora has a zombie-army. I laughed. So hard. I mean, its terrifying and I love this show for even going there - we technically already saw it with Daniel, but he was just a lone zombie, this is... magnificent. (or it was. at first....)
- If anyone is mad at Mulan after this episode, let me just say that I get it. Her last purpose in life is taking care of Aurora. Aurora's safety comes before anything, especially before these two people who she has only just met and who she might still somehow feel are partly responsible for Phillip dying. She was trying to go save Aurora. She was trying to save Aurora...
- Also, to all of you Aurora-haters who scoffed at her after already the first episode: take that! How fierce was she in this one? How brave? How absolutely selfless? Sure, I think maybe Cora was right: a part of her was hoping that she could come with them to Storybrooke, and find a new life, but that doesn't negate what she told Mulan: she's free of the sleeping curse, and even without Phillip, every day is a gift. A gift she's going to spend on something worthwhile. She wants to help Emma and Snow, genuinly, because she is a good person. She is also my new Queen of Sass. Y'all others can just back away now. You don't always have to wield a sword or a bow to be a strong female character.
- Even if Aurora did need to be saved.
- I mean, Mulan tried to save Aurora.
- Aurora is a great character.
- I mean, apparantly even Hook likes her.
- Aurora has just grown on me so much, guys.
- All Mulan has left is to try and keep Aurora safe
- And hey, Phillip might come back. Aurora's going to be happy about that.
- You know. Aurora...
- Excuse me while I go and fucking sob my eyes out in this corner and never leave no everything is fine why are you even asking, there's nothing disturbing about this episode no nothing, its just a plot-device its just futhering things its not important
- Nothing is okay. Nothing.
I want to talk about this in a somewhat chronological (and coheret) fashion. There are a lot of things to like about this episode, though it mainly is a decvice in furthering the plot - and that's okay. The episode was still action-packed and suspenseful, and sometimes episodes like this can be very slow for the sake of getting explaining out of the way. I enjoyed this episode. I really did. Well, up until the screaming started.
- Okay, first of all I want to start off by saying WE GOT TO SEE BELLE AND RUMPLE ON THEIR DATE!!! Granted, it was interrupted, BUT WE GOT TO SEE INTERACTION AND THEM BEING CUTE WITH EACH OTHER AND BEING IN PUBLIC TOGETHER, which is a very important step, people. Clearly, Gold is not liked. Why should he be? But Belle doesn't let that stop her. She knows he's trying to become a better person, and she'll be the one to decide if a person is worth it or not, thank-you. They were on a dater guys! I actually had to pause the episode in order to just sit and squee for a moment.
- That being said, Gold... 'You remember Regina, right, the woman who locked you up for 28 years?' I know you're trying to make Regina leave, but please think of Belle here. That is not something nice to be reminded of, especially not in public where anyone might hear. And it's really not their business. Jackass move, Gold, jackass move.
- The whole plan - stopping Cora by getting information from Henry through Aurora - was actually a good one. That being said, David going under the sleeping curse was, imo, a stupid move. I can see why it was done - god, can I see why it was done. But, as was proven, it didn't end very well. The town is now without a Sheriff and morale voice, and while I'm sure people such as Ruby, Archie and others will be willing to step in and make sure the people in Storybrooke stay civil, David was a strong and much-needed front-figure for many of them. He's proven his worth, and now... well, now he's fucking sleeping until his wife gets home. And okay, so I love that now Snow gets to save Charming, and to save him from the same curse as he once did her, but dammit. Now you're stuck down there, the amulet that was protecting Henry is broken and YOU'RE STUCK DOWN THERE. You had no idea if kissing Snow in the dream would work or not, but you knew Henry would be out of there as soon as he woke! AND DID I MENTION YOU'RE STUCK THERE NOW????
- Speaking of sleeping curses, Henry yet again proved his worth. You can't expect even a fully-grown person to be as brave as Henry has been (just in this episode even), and yet there he is, hardly eleven years old and braving the storm. Henry, you don't listen to what the big bad fandom says, you are awesome and so brave and I love you.
- We also got Regina and Henry interaction and it was sweet and genuine and so touching and... okay, so I teared up a little bit. I also teared up a lot in the Snow/Charming reunion. Ginnifer's acting kills me (Josh is very good as well, but Ginnifer!!) and I love what she pointed out: the 'I will always find you' mantra, means that there will always be a need to find each other. They are forever losing their family, time and time again.
- Regina and Henry holding hands, and her assuring him that she hasn't used magic (much) is a scene I have already replayed three times now.
- The umbrella Cora is holding when she's talking to Hook at the beanstalk: it looks almost exactly like the one Regina has in 'Skin Deep', when she's talking to Belle (it might even possibly be the same one). Extremely nice job, costume department.
- I don't really like that Emma is suddenly blaming everything on Regina? Granted, it is her fault, the curse and everything, and the whole thing with Daniel and Snow doesn't justify it... but it was just... it doesn't sit well with me. Emma suddenly blaming Regina? Even after everything she's experience by Cora's hand in FTL? When Snow has told her that Cora is worse than Regina, and also right after Snow has explained that Regina is the way she is because of what Cora did? Sure, Regina chose to blame Snow as much as she blamed her mother, and that was not okay at all (TWELVE THE GIRL WAS TWELVE FOR FUCKS SAKE). On the other hand, Emma has so many reasons to resent Regina, and she can't always be the bigger person. She does have a right to be angry with her, and she never really got a chance to after the truth was discovered. I mean, they are partly stuck in FTL because of Regina. (no, actually, I'm happy to blame that on Gold)
- Speaking of evil... Cora has a zombie-army. I laughed. So hard. I mean, its terrifying and I love this show for even going there - we technically already saw it with Daniel, but he was just a lone zombie, this is... magnificent. (or it was. at first....)
- If anyone is mad at Mulan after this episode, let me just say that I get it. Her last purpose in life is taking care of Aurora. Aurora's safety comes before anything, especially before these two people who she has only just met and who she might still somehow feel are partly responsible for Phillip dying. She was trying to go save Aurora. She was trying to save Aurora...
- Also, to all of you Aurora-haters who scoffed at her after already the first episode: take that! How fierce was she in this one? How brave? How absolutely selfless? Sure, I think maybe Cora was right: a part of her was hoping that she could come with them to Storybrooke, and find a new life, but that doesn't negate what she told Mulan: she's free of the sleeping curse, and even without Phillip, every day is a gift. A gift she's going to spend on something worthwhile. She wants to help Emma and Snow, genuinly, because she is a good person. She is also my new Queen of Sass. Y'all others can just back away now. You don't always have to wield a sword or a bow to be a strong female character.
- Even if Aurora did need to be saved.
- I mean, Mulan tried to save Aurora.
- Aurora is a great character.
- I mean, apparantly even Hook likes her.
- Aurora has just grown on me so much, guys.
- All Mulan has left is to try and keep Aurora safe
- And hey, Phillip might come back. Aurora's going to be happy about that.
- You know. Aurora...
- Excuse me while I go and fucking sob my eyes out in this corner and never leave no everything is fine why are you even asking, there's nothing disturbing about this episode no nothing, its just a plot-device its just futhering things its not important
- Nothing is okay. Nothing.
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Date: 2012-11-28 06:53 pm (UTC)I can see how him and Regina wouldn't be happy about Henry going back there, but they simply did not have enough certainty and information to let Charming do it. Henry was hurt yes, but it wasn't anything that couldn't be fixed by Mr. Gold, clearly. On one hand, I can see how throwing a ten-year old back into that really really isn't a good idea, but they needed to be more certain of what they were doing before they threw Charming in there. They could have done it with Regina instead, as she is not as important to the town and she knows more about magic. But it was a very Charming-like thing to do, so at least it was in-character.
I have been waiting for that scene for weeks, and it made me so insanely happy! Ugh, you guys *hugs the Mills*
Mulan and Aurora are still my epic BFF's AND NOT EVEN CORA AND HER STUPID ZOMBIE-ARMY CAN TAKE THAT FROM ME!!!!!!!!
The ending killed me. When we didn't see what Hook had in the satchel, I thought for sure we wouldn't see what it was at all in that episode: kind of like how we wasn't shown what was in the box in Tallahassee: basically, the objects would be the same thing. I ALMOST SHRIEKED IN HORROR WHEN I REALIZED WHAT WAS HAPPENING! THAT WAS NOT OKAY. NOT A SINGLE PART OF THAT WAS OKAY!!
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Date: 2012-11-28 10:53 pm (UTC)As you say, I understand about them being scared for Henry, but they took such a great risk sending Charming in without all the information. It was a very Charming thing to do, yes. BUT HE COULD HAVE GIVEN SOME THOUGHT TO HENRY! Who's now had his Mum and grandparents returned to him, only to have them ALL GO AWAY AGAIN!.
And that's why I will join you in hugging the Mills! Poor babies :(
EPIC BFF'S WILL BEAT CORA OK!! I REFUSE TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE!!
What ending? Nothing happened. Hook didn't have anything in the satchel *Puts hands over ears and starts singing*
So I might still be in a little denial...
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Date: 2012-11-29 07:35 pm (UTC)It was too dangerous a move tbh. Way too dangerous, and I think a bit lazy on the writers part. I can't possibly see why they would do it, storyline-wise? But I guess it means that Emma and Snow will be returning sooner rather than later, because there is only so long David can be out of comission yet? Or maybe we're getting more FTL backstory from before the curse. And yes, Henry :( :(
*hugs you and joins in on the denial*