Once Upon a Time 2x08 - Into the Deep
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keep_counting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want to talk about this in a somewhat chronological (and coheret) fashion. There are a lot of things to like about this episode, though it mainly is a decvice in furthering the plot - and that's okay. The episode was still action-packed and suspenseful, and sometimes episodes like this can be very slow for the sake of getting explaining out of the way. I enjoyed this episode. I really did. Well, up until the screaming started.
- Okay, first of all I want to start off by saying WE GOT TO SEE BELLE AND RUMPLE ON THEIR DATE!!! Granted, it was interrupted, BUT WE GOT TO SEE INTERACTION AND THEM BEING CUTE WITH EACH OTHER AND BEING IN PUBLIC TOGETHER, which is a very important step, people. Clearly, Gold is not liked. Why should he be? But Belle doesn't let that stop her. She knows he's trying to become a better person, and she'll be the one to decide if a person is worth it or not, thank-you. They were on a dater guys! I actually had to pause the episode in order to just sit and squee for a moment.
- That being said, Gold... 'You remember Regina, right, the woman who locked you up for 28 years?' I know you're trying to make Regina leave, but please think of Belle here. That is not something nice to be reminded of, especially not in public where anyone might hear. And it's really not their business. Jackass move, Gold, jackass move.
- The whole plan - stopping Cora by getting information from Henry through Aurora - was actually a good one. That being said, David going under the sleeping curse was, imo, a stupid move. I can see why it was done - god, can I see why it was done. But, as was proven, it didn't end very well. The town is now without a Sheriff and morale voice, and while I'm sure people such as Ruby, Archie and others will be willing to step in and make sure the people in Storybrooke stay civil, David was a strong and much-needed front-figure for many of them. He's proven his worth, and now... well, now he's fucking sleeping until his wife gets home. And okay, so I love that now Snow gets to save Charming, and to save him from the same curse as he once did her, but dammit. Now you're stuck down there, the amulet that was protecting Henry is broken and YOU'RE STUCK DOWN THERE. You had no idea if kissing Snow in the dream would work or not, but you knew Henry would be out of there as soon as he woke! AND DID I MENTION YOU'RE STUCK THERE NOW????
- Speaking of sleeping curses, Henry yet again proved his worth. You can't expect even a fully-grown person to be as brave as Henry has been (just in this episode even), and yet there he is, hardly eleven years old and braving the storm. Henry, you don't listen to what the big bad fandom says, you are awesome and so brave and I love you.
- We also got Regina and Henry interaction and it was sweet and genuine and so touching and... okay, so I teared up a little bit. I also teared up a lot in the Snow/Charming reunion. Ginnifer's acting kills me (Josh is very good as well, but Ginnifer!!) and I love what she pointed out: the 'I will always find you' mantra, means that there will always be a need to find each other. They are forever losing their family, time and time again.
- Regina and Henry holding hands, and her assuring him that she hasn't used magic (much) is a scene I have already replayed three times now.
- The umbrella Cora is holding when she's talking to Hook at the beanstalk: it looks almost exactly like the one Regina has in 'Skin Deep', when she's talking to Belle (it might even possibly be the same one). Extremely nice job, costume department.
- I don't really like that Emma is suddenly blaming everything on Regina? Granted, it is her fault, the curse and everything, and the whole thing with Daniel and Snow doesn't justify it... but it was just... it doesn't sit well with me. Emma suddenly blaming Regina? Even after everything she's experience by Cora's hand in FTL? When Snow has told her that Cora is worse than Regina, and also right after Snow has explained that Regina is the way she is because of what Cora did? Sure, Regina chose to blame Snow as much as she blamed her mother, and that was not okay at all (TWELVE THE GIRL WAS TWELVE FOR FUCKS SAKE). On the other hand, Emma has so many reasons to resent Regina, and she can't always be the bigger person. She does have a right to be angry with her, and she never really got a chance to after the truth was discovered. I mean, they are partly stuck in FTL because of Regina. (no, actually, I'm happy to blame that on Gold)
- Speaking of evil... Cora has a zombie-army. I laughed. So hard. I mean, its terrifying and I love this show for even going there - we technically already saw it with Daniel, but he was just a lone zombie, this is... magnificent. (or it was. at first....)
- If anyone is mad at Mulan after this episode, let me just say that I get it. Her last purpose in life is taking care of Aurora. Aurora's safety comes before anything, especially before these two people who she has only just met and who she might still somehow feel are partly responsible for Phillip dying. She was trying to go save Aurora. She was trying to save Aurora...
- Also, to all of you Aurora-haters who scoffed at her after already the first episode: take that! How fierce was she in this one? How brave? How absolutely selfless? Sure, I think maybe Cora was right: a part of her was hoping that she could come with them to Storybrooke, and find a new life, but that doesn't negate what she told Mulan: she's free of the sleeping curse, and even without Phillip, every day is a gift. A gift she's going to spend on something worthwhile. She wants to help Emma and Snow, genuinly, because she is a good person. She is also my new Queen of Sass. Y'all others can just back away now. You don't always have to wield a sword or a bow to be a strong female character.
- Even if Aurora did need to be saved.
- I mean, Mulan tried to save Aurora.
- Aurora is a great character.
- I mean, apparantly even Hook likes her.
- Aurora has just grown on me so much, guys.
- All Mulan has left is to try and keep Aurora safe
- And hey, Phillip might come back. Aurora's going to be happy about that.
- You know. Aurora...
- Excuse me while I go and fucking sob my eyes out in this corner and never leave no everything is fine why are you even asking, there's nothing disturbing about this episode no nothing, its just a plot-device its just futhering things its not important
- Nothing is okay. Nothing.
I want to talk about this in a somewhat chronological (and coheret) fashion. There are a lot of things to like about this episode, though it mainly is a decvice in furthering the plot - and that's okay. The episode was still action-packed and suspenseful, and sometimes episodes like this can be very slow for the sake of getting explaining out of the way. I enjoyed this episode. I really did. Well, up until the screaming started.
- Okay, first of all I want to start off by saying WE GOT TO SEE BELLE AND RUMPLE ON THEIR DATE!!! Granted, it was interrupted, BUT WE GOT TO SEE INTERACTION AND THEM BEING CUTE WITH EACH OTHER AND BEING IN PUBLIC TOGETHER, which is a very important step, people. Clearly, Gold is not liked. Why should he be? But Belle doesn't let that stop her. She knows he's trying to become a better person, and she'll be the one to decide if a person is worth it or not, thank-you. They were on a dater guys! I actually had to pause the episode in order to just sit and squee for a moment.
- That being said, Gold... 'You remember Regina, right, the woman who locked you up for 28 years?' I know you're trying to make Regina leave, but please think of Belle here. That is not something nice to be reminded of, especially not in public where anyone might hear. And it's really not their business. Jackass move, Gold, jackass move.
- The whole plan - stopping Cora by getting information from Henry through Aurora - was actually a good one. That being said, David going under the sleeping curse was, imo, a stupid move. I can see why it was done - god, can I see why it was done. But, as was proven, it didn't end very well. The town is now without a Sheriff and morale voice, and while I'm sure people such as Ruby, Archie and others will be willing to step in and make sure the people in Storybrooke stay civil, David was a strong and much-needed front-figure for many of them. He's proven his worth, and now... well, now he's fucking sleeping until his wife gets home. And okay, so I love that now Snow gets to save Charming, and to save him from the same curse as he once did her, but dammit. Now you're stuck down there, the amulet that was protecting Henry is broken and YOU'RE STUCK DOWN THERE. You had no idea if kissing Snow in the dream would work or not, but you knew Henry would be out of there as soon as he woke! AND DID I MENTION YOU'RE STUCK THERE NOW????
- Speaking of sleeping curses, Henry yet again proved his worth. You can't expect even a fully-grown person to be as brave as Henry has been (just in this episode even), and yet there he is, hardly eleven years old and braving the storm. Henry, you don't listen to what the big bad fandom says, you are awesome and so brave and I love you.
- We also got Regina and Henry interaction and it was sweet and genuine and so touching and... okay, so I teared up a little bit. I also teared up a lot in the Snow/Charming reunion. Ginnifer's acting kills me (Josh is very good as well, but Ginnifer!!) and I love what she pointed out: the 'I will always find you' mantra, means that there will always be a need to find each other. They are forever losing their family, time and time again.
- Regina and Henry holding hands, and her assuring him that she hasn't used magic (much) is a scene I have already replayed three times now.
- The umbrella Cora is holding when she's talking to Hook at the beanstalk: it looks almost exactly like the one Regina has in 'Skin Deep', when she's talking to Belle (it might even possibly be the same one). Extremely nice job, costume department.
- I don't really like that Emma is suddenly blaming everything on Regina? Granted, it is her fault, the curse and everything, and the whole thing with Daniel and Snow doesn't justify it... but it was just... it doesn't sit well with me. Emma suddenly blaming Regina? Even after everything she's experience by Cora's hand in FTL? When Snow has told her that Cora is worse than Regina, and also right after Snow has explained that Regina is the way she is because of what Cora did? Sure, Regina chose to blame Snow as much as she blamed her mother, and that was not okay at all (TWELVE THE GIRL WAS TWELVE FOR FUCKS SAKE). On the other hand, Emma has so many reasons to resent Regina, and she can't always be the bigger person. She does have a right to be angry with her, and she never really got a chance to after the truth was discovered. I mean, they are partly stuck in FTL because of Regina. (no, actually, I'm happy to blame that on Gold)
- Speaking of evil... Cora has a zombie-army. I laughed. So hard. I mean, its terrifying and I love this show for even going there - we technically already saw it with Daniel, but he was just a lone zombie, this is... magnificent. (or it was. at first....)
- If anyone is mad at Mulan after this episode, let me just say that I get it. Her last purpose in life is taking care of Aurora. Aurora's safety comes before anything, especially before these two people who she has only just met and who she might still somehow feel are partly responsible for Phillip dying. She was trying to go save Aurora. She was trying to save Aurora...
- Also, to all of you Aurora-haters who scoffed at her after already the first episode: take that! How fierce was she in this one? How brave? How absolutely selfless? Sure, I think maybe Cora was right: a part of her was hoping that she could come with them to Storybrooke, and find a new life, but that doesn't negate what she told Mulan: she's free of the sleeping curse, and even without Phillip, every day is a gift. A gift she's going to spend on something worthwhile. She wants to help Emma and Snow, genuinly, because she is a good person. She is also my new Queen of Sass. Y'all others can just back away now. You don't always have to wield a sword or a bow to be a strong female character.
- Even if Aurora did need to be saved.
- I mean, Mulan tried to save Aurora.
- Aurora is a great character.
- I mean, apparantly even Hook likes her.
- Aurora has just grown on me so much, guys.
- All Mulan has left is to try and keep Aurora safe
- And hey, Phillip might come back. Aurora's going to be happy about that.
- You know. Aurora...
- Excuse me while I go and fucking sob my eyes out in this corner and never leave no everything is fine why are you even asking, there's nothing disturbing about this episode no nothing, its just a plot-device its just futhering things its not important
- Nothing is okay. Nothing.
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Date: 2012-12-01 08:27 am (UTC)Hmmm, I can see where you're coming from (though I like Emilie de Ravin's acting a lot), and the dynamic between Lana and Carlyle is absolutely amazing - especially flashbacks contrasted with present-time. It is very subtle, how she's not as intimidated by him anymore, but still a little bit because he is stronger than her. And yeah, that's the downside of tumblr -.- I think I would delete my user if it didn't de-stress me so much to look at some of the things there: I do relax a lot. Of course, then some idiot says something sexist or something horrible about Henry in the ouat tag and I see red!
I don't know when he took it - I like your sister's theory, but I thought he did it when, as she's about to run away, he grabs her arm and says 'Give Emma a message for me' or something. And yeah, Graham was alive. I mean, we did see him help Charming, even when he was still under Regina's influence and everything... I do think Aurora has the strength to rebel or something (especially if Phillip does come back), but it would be so frightingly easy for Cora to crush her heart...
My feelings are definitely not happy - but I did love the surprise. I was spoiled for a few things during this episode, and I knew Aurora was going to be taken prisoner, but I didn't even have a single inkling of what was going to happen in the end, and it was such a shock!
Hmm, good point. Henry maybe? But he's probably not completely there yet (at least in terms of trusting her). Oooh, now I want Regina's redemption to end with her going under some curse to save the town, and Henry waking her up like Emma woke him BECAUSE FEELINGS. And yes, it was very irrespeonsible of David - not to mention a decision that was taken way too quick.
I WILL SOB UNTIL ETERNITY IF THEY DO!!
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Date: 2012-12-01 10:13 am (UTC)I'm having such a Tumblr relapse. *facepalm* So I get you. I have phases of compulsive reblogging, it helps so much with the stress. I've even made new graphics and signed up to an OUaT Secret Santa.
What have I done?(I'm avoiding the OUaT tag because apparently there were Rumple spoilers or something, and I wish people would tag their spoilery posts. /rant)I know, it's scary... But I don't want to lose hope that Aurora will be 'okay'. She's grown so much on me, and, well, I won't be happy if they've casted Sarah Bolger to kill her off this quickly! (Also I loved 'Sleeping Beauty' so much when I was little, I was bound to love Aurora :))
OH MY GOD YES WE NEED THIS TO HAPPEN! I wonder what Regina will have to do to 'finalize' her redemption process. I'm pretty sure there will be something. It scares me a bit, because I want her to stick around as well, not get killed!
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Date: 2012-12-02 07:09 pm (UTC)I was on the 'official' ouatwiki (I have a thing for reading the random trivia for the episodes and such) and in Aurora's info it said: Status: Alive (heart taken by Cora). So if she's still being classified as alive (just zombiefied/put under someones thrall) then there is definitely hope! I liked Aurora from the start (because Sarah is a queen) and she's grown so much on me and we haven't even seen her and Mulan hug or anything and I want them to be epic BFFs forever :( :(
But I feel the same way about Rumple - what's going to happen when he finds Bae? If Bae is really Neal, then after all this time - and knowing that Rumple has hurt thousands of people in just trying to get to him - how can he accept him just like that? There's so much pain and hurt, and if Bae really is all grown-up and not still a child then its going to be much harder I think. And it is such a delicate balance - if Rumple didn't have Belle, and if Regina didn't have Henry, then they would have no substantial reason for trying to be better, and it is so horribly easy to take those touchstones away from them :(
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Date: 2012-12-02 07:48 pm (UTC)(ETA: forgot to specify that it's a Rumple/Belle Secret Santa, hence the comment about Carlyle and costume drama. You're going to think I'm obsessed, lol.
I kinda am.)I think I was spoiled by a Rumple/Belle vid, but I closed my eyes very quickly, so I'm not sure... I'm really excited about 2.9 (though I deliberately didn't watch the promo, just enough to make sure Gold and Regina were in it, lol). But then the break is going to be tough on us, me doesn't want :(
That's good news! She really need to not-be dead.
Exactly, it's going to be tough for Bae, for Rumple, for everyone. I believe in redemption, but Rumple and Regina have gone too far so many times, it's going to take a lot for them to go back from that.
(Though this Bae thing is confusing me. I mean, Gold was stuck in Maine for 28 years, which would make Bae...at least 45? And that's assuming Rumple brought them to our world in the same time period that Bae was sent to, and given that Rumple is more than 300 years old, that's very unlikely. It makes the whole Neal being Bae theory less plausible now that I think about it. If we keep things logical, Bae should be dead by now. Sorry I'm being morbid, but I was thinking about it yesterday and it occurred to me :( Obviously it's a fairy tale show, so we can still hope it will all be okay!)
(Also: my sis made my dad watch OUaT, and my dad actually liked it, lol. It helps that he thinks Robert Carlyle is super talented, but he was like 'hey, this is actually good', which I really did not expect. Family conversion is en route :))
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Date: 2012-12-03 05:17 pm (UTC)(I'm obsessed as well, though with this entire show. WATCHING 2X09 RIGHT NOW AND AAAAARGH!!!!!)
And right when its Christmas too! The holidays! They can't deprive us of episodes in the holidays, that's so cruel :(
The way I understand it is that - as had been said by Rumple in the show as well - Bae was transported through space as well as time. So, it's kind of like Doctor Who: Bae was sent to any given time in our world, and then Rumple designed the curse to transport them to the same space and time as his son, give or take a few years (hence why Bae might still be a child or might be an adult). At least, that's the theory I'm sticking with - we've even had proof, when Regina collected the apple in 2x21 - she got it 28+ years later, right after Snow had taken a bite, because it was transported through both space and time.
That's so lovely! :D my dad doesn't watch anything but crime shows, but now that Merlin is over soon I might be able to convince my mother to watch some episodes of ouat with me... hmm...
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Date: 2012-12-03 06:41 pm (UTC)(GAH I NEED TO WATCH!!!!)
I know, especially as it will be Merlin's last ep and... :( Hopefully DW's Christmas Special will be better than last year, but I'm not getting my hopes up...
Aah, okay, that makes sense. I like that version better actually :)
Operation OUaT family! Let me know if you manage to convert your mother ;) My mum was pre-converted. When I started watching she came into the living room and started shouting 'Oh my God, it's Robert Carlyle!'. Lol, because we're Cracker fans, and he was just so good in Cracker, so the man has traumatised us ages ago. Also us girls like fairytales, but I didn't expect my dad to find the show interesting! I also converted my parents to The Hour, so my tv record with them is pretty good atm!
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Date: 2012-12-04 01:05 pm (UTC).. that is basically how it goes.
I haven't watched any of the trailers/shorts for the DW Christmas Special because... well, I just haven't really felt like it. I've been happy lately to just forget about Who, because season 7 has been such a huge letdown imo (in spite of what my point-system might say!) and I need to catch up on Merlin and watch Downton Abbey season 3 as well!
You're a family of TV geeks! ;D